RIP OP-Z Hype

I'm officially over it I guess. After waiting for years and years and then seeing beta units in the wild on social media with hardly any compelling demos. Not that I think I'm owed anything by beta testers or TE, but just ran out of energy to stay hyped in this last home stretch. Was a fun few weeks recently on this forum but now that those conversations have died down I literally see nothing anywhere even though we're closer than ever to its release. Anyone seeing any OP-Z action anywhere these days?

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  • @instantjuggler said:
    I'm officially over it I guess. After waiting for years and years and then seeing beta units in the wild on social media with hardly any compelling demos. Not that I think I'm owed anything by beta testers or TE, but just ran out of energy to stay hyped in this last home stretch. Was a fun few weeks recently on this forum but now that those conversations have died down I literally see nothing anywhere even though we're closer than ever to its release. Anyone seeing any OP-Z action anywhere these days?

    Yes! Signed up to say exactly this. Don’t know what happened. What haven’t there been any discussions about the synth engines?? Ya know...the things that cause the thing to make noises?? I dont get it. It seemed cool at first but at $600 and without any other info about what’s underneath, Ive lost interest.

  • There was also virtually no information about the OP-1 when it came out. No manual, no advertising. TE just made something great and waited for users to really demonstrate its capabilities. It suffered the same scrutiny for its price to size ratio, but things have turned out ok.

    The synth engines sound similar to the OP-1, and like those of its older sibling, are labeled in a less-than-traditional way that forces you to explore the engine rather than turn a familiar knob. There are tracks for different synth functions (like arp, chord, melody) and different engines can be selected for each track. Most engines have a filter built in, and each page has the ability to route through two selectable send effects. Color coordination will again be on tap for this device, especially for those not pairing it with a screen. A shift button rotates through various editing pages such as the engine, envelope, LFO and effects routing while multi color LEDs change to indicate where you are

  • @Lymtronics said:
    There was also virtually no information about the OP-1 when it came out. No manual, no advertising. TE just made something great and waited for users to really demonstrate its capabilities. It suffered the same scrutiny for its price to size ratio, but things have turned out ok.

    The synth engines sound similar to the OP-1, and like those of its older sibling, are labeled in a less-than-traditional way that forces you to explore the engine rather than turn a familiar knob. There are tracks for different synth functions (like arp, chord, melody) and different engines can be selected for each track. Most engines have a filter built in, and each page has the ability to route through two selectable send effects. Color coordination will again be on tap for this device, especially for those not pairing it with a screen. A shift button rotates through various editing pages such as the engine, envelope, LFO and effects routing while multi color LEDs change to indicate where you are

    Yeah I’m sure that’s true. I wasnt following them back then so I don’t know. But all I hear are like little bleeps and bloops. I dont know...I’ll of course watch and eat up all the videos once they go in depth more into the synth engines.

    Just think it’s odd they would have videos showing off the interface but not the actual synth engines. It would be like having a car commercial and showing off the air freshener and seat cover. Like who the fuck cares.

  • not to mention that the op1 was considered vaporware for years when they first debuted a non-working prototype.

    i get that its kinda odd, but there are a lot of moving pieces w/ the op-z.
    maybe the jumped the gun last year by showing everybody it.

    whats wrong with a lil mystery in your lives?

  • They’re out of their minds not giving a beta unit to Jeremy at red means recording, or Andrew Huang. I’ve still yet to hear a compelling demo of what it’s capable of. And two months from release, we still don’t know what features will be present at launch.

  • I have a feeling they will also struggle to meet demand when early units start to come out. It's not like Korg showing a working synth at a trade show and promising 10,000 units with a specific street date.

    TE could surely produce a beautiful ad campaign, but would not want to waste it on a large audience they could not satisfy.

    I assume the release of the OP-Z will not be a bookend for the development team, and that they will remain hard at work for months refining and embellishing the software. It may even be months until a second batch is in stock, as they work out how to scale production and work out turn around times from their factory. Speculation, of course, but not an unlikely position for a small company to find themselves in. We will all be able to purchase one eventually, but I wouldn't expect to walk into a Guitar Center on a certain date and buy one of several units in their stockroom.

  • But yeah... the hype will begin once the first-wavers have them in their hands and start making music with them. If I'm not lucky enough to have one by then, I know I will be drooling at the threads here of people exploiting various features and dissecting cryptic elements of OP-Z together.

  • @Ion677 said:
    They’re out of their minds not giving a beta unit to Jeremy at red means recording, or Andrew Huang. I’ve still yet to hear a compelling demo of what it’s capable of. And two months from release, we still don’t know what features will be present at launch.

    From what I was told, they did not do "global" hardware beta testing for the OP-Z, just in Sweden and a few neighboring EU countries. Which explains why RMR and Andrew Huang aren't testing.

  • @Ion677 said:
    They’re out of their minds not giving a beta unit to Jeremy at red means recording, or Andrew Huang. I’ve still yet to hear a compelling demo of what it’s capable of. And two months from release, we still don’t know what features will be present at launch.

    @Ion677 said:
    They’re out of their minds not giving a beta unit to Jeremy at red means recording, or Andrew Huang. I’ve still yet to hear a compelling demo of what it’s capable of. And two months from release, we still don’t know what features will be present at launch.

    I seem to be like the only person who can’t stand Huang. I find him super annoying and clickbait-y and condescending.

  • I seem to be like the only person who can’t stand Huang. I find him super annoying and clickbait-y and condescending.

    He definitely does the shouty titles with a "crazy" face thing I hate too even if the content is sometimes good

  • edited May 31

    Haha, I have blocked all of Andrew's videos on my YouTube. It's nothing personal, he seems like a nice guy and like someone said above some of his videos have good content, but I just found myself having watched a whole bunch and not getting anything out of most of them, I think there and a different demographic. I can't blame the guy for having super click_baity images and titles on his videos, as far as I know that will boost your views immensely. Anyway, he's clearly doing very well for himself, so hats off to that.

  • It's like Andrew Huang and Cuckoo are complete opposites: the former - overly sharp, snappy, clean production, very click-baity, overall generic (IMO) tune. The former, kooky, not as sharp production, some really long videos, non-generic tunes (but very divisive).

    RE the OPZ: while the hype has definitely turned down, I have a feeling that when i launches it will be joined with some really fully featured videos and examples, and they will be impossible to get a hold of due to being massively sold out. The hype is going to be furrrrrrious.

  • @ludicrouSpeed said:
    Haha, I have blocked all of Andrew's videos on my YouTube. It's nothing personal, he seems like a nice guy and like someone said above some of his videos have good content, but I just found myself having watched a whole bunch and not getting anything out of most of them, I think there and a different demographic. I can't blame the guy for having super click_baity images and titles on his videos, as far as I know that will boost your views immensely. Anyway, he's clearly doing very well for himself, so hats off to that.

    Yea I mean I have nothing against the guy and good for him, but Id prefer the no-frills type videos over his stuff any day. The one video about the Digitone was called “DIGITONE IS SO INTENSE” and he’s wearing a silver jacket on. IS IT MAN?? How intense whoaaaa...No thanks dude. It’s condescending to me or something, I cant describe it.

  • It IS intense, you wouldn't understand 🙄 😒 jks

    All aboard the hype train doot doot 🚂

  • Huang is OK. I expect his choice of audience commands his delivery style.

  • @eesn said:
    Huang is OK. I expect his choice of audience commands his delivery style.

    Let's not bring "choice" into it, lest I get all philosophical up in heeyah. XD

  • @ludicrouSpeed said:

    @eesn said:
    Huang is OK. I expect his choice of audience commands his delivery style.

    Let's not bring "choice" into it, lest I get all philosophical up in heeyah. XD

    we're just talking :D but i think i sorta see what you mean, doesn't add up exactly, once you consider the products being showcased.

    that said, let's not pretend youtube isn't full of reviews so boring they make you want to scrape out your own brain and eat it with a teaspoon..

  • Hahahhahaa. Good point. I'm hoping to do a fun opz unboxing/first impression + review. I should have one of the first from the July 31st if all goes well.

  • PS. @eesn I reviewed ham a few weeks ago, does that count?

  • edited May 31

    @ludicrouSpeed said:
    PS. @eesn I reviewed ham a few weeks ago, does that count?

    oh, I mean of synths and things actually interesting in themselves, but utterly destroyed by the showcasing person's style

    p.s. ham and bacon need no reviews! :]

  • @EgonsGhost said:

    @Ion677 said:
    They’re out of their minds not giving a beta unit to Jeremy at red means recording, or Andrew Huang. I’ve still yet to hear a compelling demo of what it’s capable of. And two months from release, we still don’t know what features will be present at launch.

    @Ion677 said:
    They’re out of their minds not giving a beta unit to Jeremy at red means recording, or Andrew Huang. I’ve still yet to hear a compelling demo of what it’s capable of. And two months from release, we still don’t know what features will be present at launch.

    I seem to be like the only person who can’t stand Huang. I find him super annoying and clickbait-y and condescending.

    I agree

  • I was immensely hyped for the Op1 pre launch. Its true they really trickled out information and more importantly GOOD demos. Personally just initially hearing about the Tape and Workflow of the op1 pre launch I was sold. The opz can fit perfectly in my workflow I reckon. I feel very burnt by the almost doubled from the initially discussed price. That killed my hype. I still want it I just wasnt planning for the price. Whats strange to me is that I would pay 1-5000$ for an Op2 with more serious features like higher quality ins and outs and more Ins(multitrack.) I dont understand why I have such a disconnect with the OpZ. Maybe its the fact that Im forced back into apples ecosystem to use the app? Im not sure but I love and trust TE but Im so off the OPz Hype train. Some part of me prolly thinks I should sell the OP1 to afford the OPz but thats just cray.

    Huangs videos just rub me the wrong way. So I unsubbed. but now Youtube is confused and constantly bombards me with WHY THE FUCK DONT YOU LIKE HUANG. my sub box is always filled with his videos. and every one of his thumbnails is his face with a crazy amount of glare in his eyes and he is staring into my soul. So yah i dont like huangs videos, but they are quality. recently saw a FM tutorial from him that seems good! I bet they just appeal to a younger crowd who knows less about music gear. Which is great! but ive been watching gear vids for 15 years so I guess its just not for me. youtube please stop bombarding me with something I unsubbed from.
    im more of a gaz, sonicstate, haq, cuckoo, loopop, RMR, Look mom no computer. kinda person anyway. youtube is great btw fuck conventional TV.

  • i never watch demos, reviews, vids.

    don't like my perspective being skewed by something that only shows u how one person used it in a limited capacity. i like to figure things out for myself.

  • edited May 31

    I lost interest on the op-z and bought a second hand ipad pro and the apps are amazing exspecally the samplers and midi sequencing apps. Cost me 428 euro and plus all the apps 500 so in the end I'm thankful about the op-z as it lead me to what I really wanted.
    I will keep watching the op-z story see where it goes. The extra cost for the modules and releasing to a few people in New York before all the hardcore fans who preordered was the final straw for me.

  • edited May 31

    @masterofstuff124 said:
    ... his face with a crazy amount of glare in his eyes and he is staring into my soul.

    .. : chuckle :

    re OPZ, the day Elektron squeeze a Digitakt or Digitone into a box small enough to run on batteries, that's it for the likes of OP1 and OPZ. One can assume Elektron are already thinking about it.

  • @masterofstuff124 said:
    I was immensely hyped for the Op1 pre launch. Its true they really trickled out information and more importantly GOOD demos. Personally just initially hearing about the Tape and Workflow of the op1 pre launch I was sold. The opz can fit perfectly in my workflow I reckon. I feel very burnt by the almost doubled from the initially discussed price. That killed my hype. I still want it I just wasnt planning for the price. Whats strange to me is that I would pay 1-5000$ for an Op2 with more serious features like higher quality ins and outs and more Ins(multitrack.) I dont understand why I have such a disconnect with the OpZ. Maybe its the fact that Im forced back into apples ecosystem to use the app? Im not sure but I love and trust TE but Im so off the OPz Hype train. Some part of me prolly thinks I should sell the OP1 to afford the OPz but thats just cray.

    Huangs videos just rub me the wrong way. So I unsubbed. but now Youtube is confused and constantly bombards me with WHY THE FUCK DONT YOU LIKE HUANG. my sub box is always filled with his videos. and every one of his thumbnails is his face with a crazy amount of glare in his eyes and he is staring into my soul. So yah i dont like huangs videos, but they are quality. recently saw a FM tutorial from him that seems good! I bet they just appeal to a younger crowd who knows less about music gear. Which is great! but ive been watching gear vids for 15 years so I guess its just not for me. youtube please stop bombarding me with something I unsubbed from.
    im more of a gaz, sonicstate, haq, cuckoo, loopop, RMR, Look mom no computer. kinda person anyway. youtube is great btw fuck conventional TV.

    Click the three little dots next to the thumbnail and click "NOT INTERESTED", then, click "tell us why" and click "I'm not interested in channel x". Voila, no more vids from channel x. (at least for a while.)

  • @LushHigh
    i do this. it doesnt work. youtube algorithm has been broken for years(atleast according to youtubers) so no real surprise. And to add insult to injury they change the way it works constantly. I watch a ton of youtube so i assume they run out of things to show me, but then they fail to show me new uploads from channels I sub to. I have had to just learn upload schedules. Recently they changed the way subscriptions work so I went through and elevated all of them. Why would I subscribe to something I dont want to see. Jesus Christ Youtube.

  • @masterofstuff124 said:
    @LushHigh
    i do this. it doesnt work. youtube algorithm has been broken for years(atleast according to youtubers) so no real surprise. And to add insult to injury they change the way it works constantly. I watch a ton of youtube so i assume they run out of things to show me, but then they fail to show me new uploads from channels I sub to. I have had to just learn upload schedules. Recently they changed the way subscriptions work so I went through and elevated all of them. Why would I subscribe to something I dont want to see. Jesus Christ Youtube.

    Yeah your youtube experience sounds messed up.
    I only get subbed channels in my sub section and if I click 'not interested' I don't get anything of that channel anymore.

  • I must have missed the train or something - I wasn't aware there was any hype! . Most likely beta testers are only allowed to post certain things and that's why we haven't heard and seen more. I reckon that's all to come closer to release. I really like what I've seen so far.

  • Op-z beta tester here in LA saw me on the op-1 and said the Z is going to totally replace it. I’m not totally convinced though; thinking I can do all that crazy sequencing on the iPad. Also might save for a replacement op-1 in case mine ever knock on wood
    breaks down.

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