PO-33 KO owners - questions / observations

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Let’s reserve this space for users of the PO 33 KO. Please chime in. Got my KO today, so I’ll start w/ a question for other users. (This is my first PO):

When I turn the pots, the numeric gauges on the chosen parameter lurch pretty unpredictably by 15-20 points. Going from, say, 100 to 102 is impossible.

Is this typical of all PO’s?

Thanks in advance!
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  • This happens to me if I’m rapidly hitting the 1-16 buttons. If I give it time to play the sample, and slow my roll, it doesn’t jump. Notice this a lot with the drum side. When I give little pauses as I go, it’s much better than tap tap tap while trying to turn.
  • I think you got a dud, I'd ask for a replacement... I have 3 POs... 12, 20 & 28... 

    My 28 has a dodgy tuning pot, and it makes some functions really impossible to control... No issue on the other ones... 

    That's my thoughts on it.
  • I think you got a dud, I'd ask for a replacement... I have 3 POs... 12, 20 & 28... 

    My 28 has a dodgy tuning pot, and it makes some functions really impossible to control... No issue on the other ones... 

    That's my thoughts on it.
    Thanks. I did a hard reset, and everything was roses afterward. It was wonky as hell... the sound would randomly begin warping, and screen messages were all over the place.

  • I think you got a dud, I'd ask for a replacement... I have 3 POs... 12, 20 & 28... 

    My 28 has a dodgy tuning pot, and it makes some functions really impossible to control... No issue on the other ones... 

    That's my thoughts on it.
    Thanks. I did a hard reset, and everything was roses afterward. It was wonky as hell... the sound would randomly begin warping, and screen messages were all over the place.

    How do you hard reset?
  • I think you got a dud, I'd ask for a replacement... I have 3 POs... 12, 20 & 28... 

    My 28 has a dodgy tuning pot, and it makes some functions really impossible to control... No issue on the other ones... 

    That's my thoughts on it.
    Thanks. I did a hard reset, and everything was roses afterward. It was wonky as hell... the sound would randomly begin warping, and screen messages were all over the place.

    How do you hard reset?
    Hold Pattern+write when inserting the batteries
  • edited February 17
    if you press sound + bpm it displays the following:

    BAT (battery status)

    SEC (sample time left)

    CPU 

    REL

    ULT

    any clue, what REL and ULT could be?
  • Does anyone know what the KO’s sample rate is? It sounds lovely and grungy, but adds loads of artefacts to bass sounds in particular.
  • I'm a little confused over the way samples are cut in the Drums slots. I've read somewhere that the PO analyses the transients and cuts accordingly. But it never seems to work for me... I've tried different volume, different drums samples, nothing really works. It seems kinda random. The only way I was able to have something I could work with was to record a whole measure of drums (no more no less). So I'm wondering: is the PO really using the transients is it just cutting the sample in 16th? (Which is fine by me. It's just a little trickier)
  • @CimryaDeal yes it can be a bit hit and miss, I found the best results when just playing the sounds manually one after the other, I think it just looks for brief pauses, so loops do not tend to chop very well, but you can quite quickly fine tune the slices even though the pots are a bit imprecise it isn’t too bad.
  • edited February 19
    It's 8 bit.
  • edited February 19
    This info is from another forum:
  • I have been having a weird issue with the KO i just got today where when I adjust the trim of one of the drum slots it sometimes changes the start and end points of other drum slots... 

    anyone else experienced this?  just tried hard reset no dice
  • I have been having a weird issue with the KO i just got today where when I adjust the trim of one of the drum slots it sometimes changes the start and end points of other drum slots... 

    anyone else experienced this?  just tried hard reset no dice
    I think this might be caused by the wiggly pots. Because the values are still jumping around shortly after you turn them you gotta give it a second until you press the next button/slot. Otherwise it will change that slots value as well.
    Hope this helps you out.

  • I think this might be caused by the wiggly pots. Because the values are still jumping around shortly after you turn them you gotta give it a second until you press the next button/slot. Otherwise it will change that slots value as well.
    Hope this helps you out.
    ahhhh I see.  Is that an issue that is on all KO's or just some?

  • I think this might be caused by the wiggly pots. Because the values are still jumping around shortly after you turn them you gotta give it a second until you press the next button/slot. Otherwise it will change that slots value as well.
    Hope this helps you out.
    ahhhh I see.  Is that an issue that is on all KO's or just some?
    Mine is the same 

  • I think this might be caused by the wiggly pots. Because the values are still jumping around shortly after you turn them you gotta give it a second until you press the next button/slot. Otherwise it will change that slots value as well.
    Hope this helps you out.
    ahhhh I see.  Is that an issue that is on all KO's or just some?
     Same case for mine. Before you begin trimming press the slot you are going to modify a few times without touching the encoders. 
  • if you press sound + bpm it displays the following:

    BAT (battery status)

    SEC (sample time left)

    CPU 

    REL

    ULT

    any clue, what REL and ULT could be?
    I would like to know this as well. 
  • I think REL is the release version, ULT I have no clue.

  • I'd guess REL to be software release version.  My Tonic says 320 (just after letting go of the sound+bpm buttons when REL is displayed.
  • i've just discovered a thing and that thing ruined one of my K.O! backups. i believe that the thing is worth being aware of, at least.

    the story is: i got some sounds sampled into 2 empty melodic slots and 1 empty drum slot. po-33 was factory fresh meaning i didn't zap those factory default sounds. then i made a few patterns and performed a backup (which lasts around 4 minutes on my recorder). now, on trying to restore from that backup my po-33 runs out of memory saying ERR somewhere around slot (button) number 12. 

    i did know that (most of?) those factory sounds aren't really samples, but rather a tricky synth engine product which occupies way less space on the device compared to real sound samples. what i didn't know is those factory sounds get into backup as real (sampled) sounds and restore as real (sampled) sounds and in the end of going through backup and restore they occupy almost all of the 40 available seconds just on their own.

    so: be extra sure you get rid of all those factory sounds before performing a backup (or at least zap all you don't use in your project). and keep in mind that if you have at least one factory sound in your backup you might not be able to fit all of your backup' samples back into memory.

    happy samplin!
  • i've just discovered a thing and that thing ruined one of my K.O! backups. i believe that the thing is worth being aware of, at least.

    the story is: i got some sounds sampled into 2 empty melodic slots and 1 empty drum slot. po-33 was factory fresh meaning i didn't zap those factory default sounds. then i made a few patterns and performed a backup (which lasts around 4 minutes on my recorder). now, on trying to restore from that backup my po-33 runs out of memory saying ERR somewhere around slot (button) number 12. 

    i did know that (most of?) those factory sounds aren't really samples, but rather a tricky synth engine product which occupies way less space on the device compared to real sound samples. what i didn't know is those factory sounds get into backup as real (sampled) sounds and restore as real (sampled) sounds and in the end of going through backup and restore they occupy almost all of the 40 available seconds just on their own.

    so: be extra sure you get rid of all those factory sounds before performing a backup (or at least zap all you don't use in your project). and keep in mind that if you have at least one factory sound in your backup you might not be able to fit all of your backup' samples back into memory.

    happy samplin!
    That's weird. I did a backup with the original sounds AND new sounds and it worked perfectly fine! (The backup was around 3 minutes)
  • i've just discovered a thing and that thing ruined one of my K.O! backups. i believe that the thing is worth being aware of, at least.

    the story is: i got some sounds sampled into 2 empty melodic slots and 1 empty drum slot. po-33 was factory fresh meaning i didn't zap those factory default sounds. then i made a few patterns and performed a backup (which lasts around 4 minutes on my recorder). now, on trying to restore from that backup my po-33 runs out of memory saying ERR somewhere around slot (button) number 12. 

    i did know that (most of?) those factory sounds aren't really samples, but rather a tricky synth engine product which occupies way less space on the device compared to real sound samples. what i didn't know is those factory sounds get into backup as real (sampled) sounds and restore as real (sampled) sounds and in the end of going through backup and restore they occupy almost all of the 40 available seconds just on their own.

    so: be extra sure you get rid of all those factory sounds before performing a backup (or at least zap all you don't use in your project). and keep in mind that if you have at least one factory sound in your backup you might not be able to fit all of your backup' samples back into memory.

    happy samplin!
    I had that same issue. what i did to 'fix' my backup that i copied individual slices from the factory kits that i liked, into a new drum slot. 4 factory drums -> 1 new drum slot (taking only parts that i want). I can delete the factory kits, and end up with ~32 seconds left.

  • That's weird. I did a backup with the original sounds AND new sounds and it worked perfectly fine! (The backup was around 3 minutes)
    in my case i think i had too much time occupied by my samples - K.O! said there were 2 or 4 seconds left, i don't remember exactly.
    I had that same issue. what i did to 'fix' my backup that i copied individual slices from the factory kits that i liked, into a new drum slot. 4 factory drums -> 1 new drum slot (taking only parts that i want). I can delete the factory kits, and end up with ~32 seconds left.
    i lost the drum slot sample and not sure if it would be possible to bring it back by just cutting off a (hopefully factory sounds) piece in a wave editor. there should be some kind of markers in the wave, but i hardly think i can determine those just by examining the waveform. and i don't see any other way to get the samples back - the original project is now lost and the only thing left is that 4 minute backup.
  • I had to make a new backup. I still have a backup with the problem you have. When sending that to the po33 my backup is partially intact. All patterns are there, some sounds are not
  • The pots on my KO definitely seem a bit messed up. Hard reset helped certain issues, but there seems to be something mechanical jumpy going on as well
  • Hi all. Just got my 33 today. Very, very cool.

    Two niggles.

    The pot sensitivity is tricky, especially trimming samples, setting pitch.

    Only 16th notes?

    I hear there's a note repeat function not in the instructions. Anyone know how that works?

    Thinking I may be able to add 32 note kicks with it.

    Any help appreciated.
  • @PO33MO for retrig hold the step you want to repeat and press the bpm button to cycle through the options (2,3,4 etc). Note that it ONLY works on the “drum” slots (sounds 9-16)
  • edited February 28
    Cheers @sammyjams

    OK I'm probably being a bit slow here.

    What do you mean by Step?

    I only seem to be able to change the BPM or the volume with the BPM button?
  • When write mode is active (see the circle inside a square graphic on screen) any of the 16 buttons (steps) that contain a note should be lit up. Press and HOLD one that has a note and press bpm while holding.
  • @sammyjams

    Got it, many thanks.

    That's cool.

    Not gonna help my issue of adding individual 32 notes.

    Odd to me it doesn't allow this (obviously not in step mode) but in live recording.

    It can obviously do it as it does it in the note repeat function as described above.

    Probably gonna have to chop sampled drums differently (larger chops) to get the feel I'm after.

    Could there be software updates for the 33? Is that possible via audio input?



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